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Hmm. Still need a Ninth Doctor icon. I am looking. But I only really want one, so it's got to be a good, all purpose one. I'm sure I find one in time.
I don't think I'll ever be able to watch this episode without thinking just this one to get through before I get to Captain Jack! Having said that, I really did enjoy it. And it really made me cry. Like mad. I seem to remember crying the first time round too, but now I'm a mother anything to do with parenthood sets me off.
And wasn't Pete amazing? I mean, Rose had him pegged (like her mother before her) as a good-for-nothing Del-boy, but he was clever. Maybe not clever enough to make much money, but clever enough to figure out she was his daughter, and that he was dead in her future, and that he needed to die here and now to save everyone. And the fact that he did it – not an easy thing to do, but he did it, for the ones he loved, and the rest of the world.
In comparison, Jackie came out rather badly. She was even more unlikeable than usual. Did love the Doctor finally ordering her around and her rather sudden acquiescence and "Yes, sir!" I also thought it was weird that she was (understandably) jealous of Rose all the way through, but not at the end when the timeline had been restored and Rose was the one who was with Pete when he died. Jackie was all "At least he had someone with him", but you'd expect her really to be going "Who the hell's that blonde crying over my husband and how long has he been having an affair with her?"
The Doctor was incredible. Loved him in this. Right from "Be careful what you wish for" at the start. And the fact he let Rose go back for this, and that he (presumably) can't go back to his own world. And his little conversation with the wedding couple, about them being ordinary people and that's what it's all about, and that he never had that. And the Doctor sacrificing himself to the Reapers ("I'm the oldest thing in here!") to save everyone else – though to be honest, the Doctor being eaten was a pretty massive cue that there was going to be a total reset, because you can't have Doctor Who without the Doctor!
And Mickey!!!! The kid on the swings was Mickey! I'd completely forgotten that. Though I have to say, I didn't realise he was supposed to be that much older than Rose. He must have been at least four, and she was still a very young baby.
Other things worthy of note:
The TARDIS actually gets them exactly where and when they want to be. Not once (Pete and Jackie's wedding), not twice (Pete's death) but three times (Pete's death again). Wow!!!
The bit with two Doctors and two Roses reminded me bizarrely of that Kylie video.
Loved Rose's line that "He's never going to be a world leader; he's not going to start World War Three or anything!"
Pete hitting on Rose and Rose's "You are not going there. There does not even exist for you!" etc.
All the 80s clothes and hairstyles and HUGE mobile phones were fun! Loved the idea of the only thing coming through on the phone being the very first Alexander Graham Bell phonecall!
Loved the idea of the church being a sanctuary. Though a bit disappointing that it was only strong because it was old. Would have been nice if the faith of the people who use it had helped strengthen it. Not confirming the presence of God or anything, but using the idea of people's faith and belief. (After all, I seem to remember that's been a pretty powerful force in a recent episode somewhere… *g*)
Loved the Doctor telling Rose not to touch the baby because touching her younger self would create a paradox. As far as I can recall, this is the first time the 'don't cross your own time-line' idea has been stated in New Who, and I wish the point had been made even more firmly because I didn't remember it and kept wondering why the Doctor didn't just use his TARDIS all the time to go back and sort out the problems he kept running into.
Little snippet about the Time Lords: the Doctor says his people would have stopped this sort of thing happening – the Reapers etc.
8.5/10
And in the trailers… Captain Jack!!!!!!!! Yay! At last! :-)
I don't think I'll ever be able to watch this episode without thinking just this one to get through before I get to Captain Jack! Having said that, I really did enjoy it. And it really made me cry. Like mad. I seem to remember crying the first time round too, but now I'm a mother anything to do with parenthood sets me off.
And wasn't Pete amazing? I mean, Rose had him pegged (like her mother before her) as a good-for-nothing Del-boy, but he was clever. Maybe not clever enough to make much money, but clever enough to figure out she was his daughter, and that he was dead in her future, and that he needed to die here and now to save everyone. And the fact that he did it – not an easy thing to do, but he did it, for the ones he loved, and the rest of the world.
In comparison, Jackie came out rather badly. She was even more unlikeable than usual. Did love the Doctor finally ordering her around and her rather sudden acquiescence and "Yes, sir!" I also thought it was weird that she was (understandably) jealous of Rose all the way through, but not at the end when the timeline had been restored and Rose was the one who was with Pete when he died. Jackie was all "At least he had someone with him", but you'd expect her really to be going "Who the hell's that blonde crying over my husband and how long has he been having an affair with her?"
The Doctor was incredible. Loved him in this. Right from "Be careful what you wish for" at the start. And the fact he let Rose go back for this, and that he (presumably) can't go back to his own world. And his little conversation with the wedding couple, about them being ordinary people and that's what it's all about, and that he never had that. And the Doctor sacrificing himself to the Reapers ("I'm the oldest thing in here!") to save everyone else – though to be honest, the Doctor being eaten was a pretty massive cue that there was going to be a total reset, because you can't have Doctor Who without the Doctor!
And Mickey!!!! The kid on the swings was Mickey! I'd completely forgotten that. Though I have to say, I didn't realise he was supposed to be that much older than Rose. He must have been at least four, and she was still a very young baby.
Other things worthy of note:
The TARDIS actually gets them exactly where and when they want to be. Not once (Pete and Jackie's wedding), not twice (Pete's death) but three times (Pete's death again). Wow!!!
The bit with two Doctors and two Roses reminded me bizarrely of that Kylie video.
Loved Rose's line that "He's never going to be a world leader; he's not going to start World War Three or anything!"
Pete hitting on Rose and Rose's "You are not going there. There does not even exist for you!" etc.
All the 80s clothes and hairstyles and HUGE mobile phones were fun! Loved the idea of the only thing coming through on the phone being the very first Alexander Graham Bell phonecall!
Loved the idea of the church being a sanctuary. Though a bit disappointing that it was only strong because it was old. Would have been nice if the faith of the people who use it had helped strengthen it. Not confirming the presence of God or anything, but using the idea of people's faith and belief. (After all, I seem to remember that's been a pretty powerful force in a recent episode somewhere… *g*)
Loved the Doctor telling Rose not to touch the baby because touching her younger self would create a paradox. As far as I can recall, this is the first time the 'don't cross your own time-line' idea has been stated in New Who, and I wish the point had been made even more firmly because I didn't remember it and kept wondering why the Doctor didn't just use his TARDIS all the time to go back and sort out the problems he kept running into.
Little snippet about the Time Lords: the Doctor says his people would have stopped this sort of thing happening – the Reapers etc.
8.5/10
And in the trailers… Captain Jack!!!!!!!! Yay! At last! :-)
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That said, I love Pete to pieces in this, and it always makes me cry. And I've generally forgiven the Doctor by the end of it. *g*
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I liked the idea of the reapers, but didn't see how they really worked since the Doctor was always messing with the time stream, in the previous episode he tells us the stream is messed up and 200,000 was SUPPOSED to be the golden age of mankind instead of what they saw...
okay.. trying to figure out time travel before having my morning coffee is a bad thing....
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And yeah, hasn't faith and belief used for protection always been a Doctor Who theme? The Curse of Fenric leaps straight to mind, so yeah, it might have been good if that was why the church worked as a place of protection. If 'old' is the only requirement, why doesn't the 4.5 billion year old planet they're standing on hold the buggers off?
Yay for Jack next! Looking forward to your reviews of those ones.
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And yes, he should have known better, but I think Rose's request struck a nerve with him because he couldn't go back and visit his own family, but he could give her what he couldn't have. He was trying to be nice.
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And yes the Doctor is always messing with the time stream, but this episode tries to get round it by having him say, rather smugly, that he knows what he's doing when he does that (didn't you wonder where I got that bit from in Constant? *g*) whereas Rose just blundered in. It's a pretty crappy plot device, but as I said, at least this episode does try to address it a bit.
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If 'old' is the only requirement, why doesn't the 4.5 billion year old planet they're standing on hold the buggers off?
Very good point. *g*
Yay for Jack next! Looking forward to your reviews of those ones.
Me too :-)
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(OK, I'll just take a deep breath here for a second and think about Pete. I do love Pete in this. *g*)
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::stares:: That's a very good point you've got there.
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As for the church, I've never seen the box set extras, but I'm willing to bet there was some deleted material around that point. 'Old' really isn't a good enough explanation, and I suspect it's something to do with hundreds of years' worth of faith in one building. Or similar.
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Yeah, but you have to remember he's a 900 year-old Time Lord who's just lost his own home - his whole planet - and can never go back. I'm not excusing his behaviour, but he's not exactly at his most rational in these circumstances.
I hated the way they parted (briefly) on a quarrel. That could have been really, really nasty. But they both got over it and through it and whatever.
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I remember that I didn't like Ace much, but I don't remember why :-(
It will certainly be interesting to see those seasons again at some point in the future!
I don't know if there's anything on the Confidential about the church. Will watch it at some point, but I've abandoned the Confidentials for the moment because they were making it take too long to get to the Jack episodes! :-)
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Doesn't really help much, but at least there is a little consistency.
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This is very true. And yeah, they got over it and through it, and did I mention Pete is awesome? *g* Which means I do forgive the Doctor by the end. And then Jack shows up, and I forget all about it. :)
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It does seem, though, that they've made it so canon is squishy enough to enable them to so pretty much anything...
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Sylvester McCoy (which also had the marvellous Tony Hart) - ground breaking tv aimed at deaf as well as hearing children. He used to run around dressed as a mad scientist or something. BUT not talking! which freaked me out for some reason :S
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Sylvester McCoy was in Vision On (which also had.... *please continue to the end of the comment*)
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Actually, silly characters have never been my kind of thing.